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« on: April 21, 2009, 09:33:21 AM »

From an ex-Navy friend of mine:

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Obama's Decision Making with the hostages
 
Look at this take.  This makes the most sense.  I was wondering why the boat wasn’t riddles with .50 cal fire when Capt. Phillips went overboard.
 
The delay in deploying the SEALS was unforgivable.  Decision thinking like this bodes trouble in the future.
Hooray for Cdr. Castellano (Skipper of the USS Bainbridge) for solving the problem.
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The real story of Obama's Decision Making with the hostages.
Having spoken to some SEAL pals here in Virginia Beach yesterday and asking why this thing dragged out for 4 days, I got the following:
 
1.  BHO wouldn't authorize the DEVGRU/NSWC SEAL teams to the scene for 36 hours going against OSC (on scene commander) recommendation.
2.  Once they arrived, BHO imposed restrictions on their ROE that they couldn't do anything unless the hostage's life was in "imminent" danger
3.  The first time the hostage jumped, the SEALS had the <pirates> all sighted in, but could not fire due to ROE restriction
4.  When the navy RIB came under fire as it approached with supplies, no fire was returned due to ROE restrictions.  As the <pirates> were shooting at the RIB, they were exposed and the SEALS had them all dialed in.
5.  BHO specifically denied two rescue plans developed by the Bainbridge CPN and SEAL teams
6.  Bainbridge CPN and SEAL team CDR finally decide they have the OpArea and OSC authority to solely determine risk to hostage.  4 hours later, 3 dead <pirates>.
7.  BHO immediately claims credit for his "daring and decisive" behaviour.  As usual with him, it's BS.
 
Read the following accurate account.
 
Philips’ first leap into the warm, dark water of the Indian Ocean hadn’t worked out as well. With the Bainbridge in range and a rescue by his country’s Navy possible, Philips threw himself off of his lifeboat prison, enabling Navy shooters onboard the destroyer a clear shot at his captors — and none was taken.
 
The guidance from National Command Authority — the president of the United States,
Barack Obama — had been clear: a peaceful solution was the only acceptable outcome to this standoff unless the hostage’s life was in clear, extreme danger.
 
The next day, a small Navy boat approaching the floating raft was fired on b y the Somali pirates — and again no fire was returned and no pirates killed. This was again due to the cautious stance assumed by Navy personnel thanks to the combination of a lack of clear guidance from Washington and a mandate from the commander in chief’s staff not to act until Obama, a man with no background of dealing with such issues and no track record of decisiveness, decided that any outcome other than a “peaceful solution” would be acceptable.
 
After taking fire from the Somali kidnappers again Saturday night, the on scene commander decided he’d had enough.
 
Keeping his authority to act in the case of a clear and present danger to the hostage’s life and having heard nothing from Washington since yet another request to mount a rescue operation had been denied the day before, the Navy officer — unnamed in all media reports to date — decided the AK47 one captor had leveled at Philips’ back was a threat to the hostage’s life and ordered the NSWC team to take their shots.
 
Three rounds downrange later, all three brigands became enemy KIA and Philips was safe.
 
There is upside, downside, and spin-side to the series of events over the last week that culminated in yesterday’s dramatic rescue of an American hostage.
 
Almost immediately following word of the rescue, the Obama administration and its supporters claimed victory against pirates in the Indian Ocean and [1] declared that the dramatic end to the standoff put paid to questions of the inexperienced president’s toughness and decisiveness.
 
Despite the Obama administration’s (and its sycophants’) attempt to spin yesterday’s success as a result of bold, decisive leadership by the inexperienced president, the reality is nothing of the sort.
What should have been a standoff lasting only hours — as long as it took the USS Bainbridge and its team of NSWC operators to steam to the location — became an embarrassing four day and counting standoff between a ragtag handful of criminals with rifles and a U.S. Navy warship.

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« Reply #1 on: April 29, 2009, 02:09:44 PM »

so if he is ex-navy, what dancer were you... the indian, cop, or construction worker?
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« Reply #2 on: April 29, 2009, 02:18:12 PM »

just for that, frogmen are being sent to hunt you down...high speed...low drag....don't worry about watching your back...you won't see them in time!
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« Reply #3 on: April 30, 2009, 06:36:07 AM »

you cant see them but you can hear them when they are walking with fins on.
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